It just takes time to find those roles. Your story caught my eye when “googling” engineering student burnout symptoms. As someone who gave up such a technical career, what advice would you give to someone that just wants to be more on the B to C side of things? I got stuck on the same problem as you are. On the other hand I’m sure other people would hate my job and not get along as well with my management. If you only have a year left, maybe it’s better to grind it out. So it feels hard to be motivated to finish this degree when I don’t enjoy any of it so far and don’t think I will enjoy it in the future except only when I do SolidWorks or 3-D modeling which I find very unlikely to happen. More and more on a daily basis it feels like I took the wrong turn 8years ago when I had to chose between Medicine and Engineering. If they were given ‘provider’ status, they could consult with patients and earn compensation for it, letting the future machines do the drudgery work of dispensing pills. I can see why he would love it. Joy. Companies all try to shoehorn the employees. Next year I will be studying psychology. 2. You can pivot and change your career right now without losing much. I would have saved myself a lot of grief if I read this at the beginning of my engineer career. Good point about the first 10 years. I love hanging out with my 2 year-old daughter every morning. I think science teacher sounds great. It was time for me to move on anyway. Some people love engineering, but I saw many people who are just hanging on for the paycheck too. We are in our 30s and we have ok savings but it has not panned out as we expected. I think he’s right. The private sector is just a nightmare as I have had a few part time jobs in that relm. Entry-level at a good organization, they give you tasks and you do them. I don’t know how long I should wait until I plan other things in life such as marriage, having children, retiring, and etc. Hi,Ruch i hope you see my reply cause i have the same issue you have, even the same interest of cooking & i know my reply is too late but i thought maybe we could help each other ,and if you have been graduated Congrats, sorry for my english it’s not mother language. I semi-retired when my net worth was minus $30,000 (due to student loans) and have been semi-retired ever since, working four hours a day or so on things I like working on. I will have to reduce my lifestyle drastically, but I won’t work in IT ever again. In the corporate world, if that person isn’t an executive, then he’s probably on the way out. It’s all about meeting, planning, and that kind of work at that level. This work environment was non-existent prior to 2009. Its like for tech doubts, they can ask anyone about the problem – they can literally turn to anyone (or google) to solve their issues or clear their doubts on how to use or operate something. Good luck! people driving fork trucks doing better than engineers? Lots of senior engineers will be laid off around the same time and everyone will be looking for a job. That will give you more options later on. But I am taking some of your advice to meet with an adviser in my program to see what the best course of action is. While I expect that phone interview, which I had to reschedule, to go nowhere, I am nonetheless preparing for it. Loved computers as a kid, so I worked hard through my engineering degrees and got a good job. That’s a good way to get out of the technical side. One of my high school teachers gave his graduating class the same advice year after year. Yes, there are bad teams, there are bad managers, and there are no doubt jobs where people feel trapped. However, an engineering career might not be a good fit for everyone. I worked at a place two years ago that had 6 mechanical engineering contractors. In other words, if he picks up an additional shift, here and there, he’s clearing $70K. I’ve been in Civil Engineering for 4.5 years and am in the middle of a career change. I had many different technical roles in my time, but construction industry was the longest stretch by far. OK, so I don’t use FORTRAN anymore. I was eventually promoted to program manager, which in the old days was a VERY prestigious position. Seeing how my high school friends who have done finance , law, or even just opened a restaurant have much better social network , happier and most of them have more money than me. I’ll always be grateful for that. I’m not quite senior since I don’t feel like I’m the sharpest tool in the box. then i went to a huge company like intel but with chemicals and became more of a technician with higher pay than i ever made before. I really like engineering; I absolutely despise the engineering industry. They agree. It’s not about what you know (because they can always claim you’re inferior despite otherwise) but your perceived “value” which is subject to change on a dime. You need to screen the tenants very well. My wife has been the stay at home mom and her fulltime earning potential is only 1/5th my current salary. When buying or selling property, the costs can really add up. I finished my final project that high visibility with flying colors. Don’t you see a problem with that, or have you been so thoroughly brainwashed into thinking it’s reasonable and intelligent to only earn income when you’re working? Good luck! Contrary to what professors will tell you, the long-term benefit from engineering school is the journey, not the correct answer to a specified number of significant figures. So she told me that after I graduate and find a job that will answer to my questions. But then I continued, for the sake of the people helping me to go through the challenges of this course, especially my parents. I would think the business would initially ask your husband if he’d be interested in the managerial role. I worked on the memory (DRAM) interface and learned a ton about how the computer chips were made. I was pushed into Engineering by my parents. I can relate. Very intersting view. Medicine and finance are great careers too. Chemical engineering is applied chemistry. In the meantime, research interior design: residential or commercial? To be honest, I have the same experience. For instance: “I noticed that you’ve been working on/doing great things in ____. Problem is what the tech industry now considers “senior” can be just 10 years of experience, which at Intel meant youngish engineers spending much of their time on these quasi-managerial tasks, instead of the engineering for which they were hired. After about 3 or so years I had already lost interest in everything…I used to read up on the latest computer/tech news and now I honestly just don’t care about engineering or tech or any of it. Nevertheless, at least in software, there is always somewhere else to work where you can continue on as an individual contributor, or where it is easier to get a management/lead role, depending on which direction you wish to go (and aren’t getting traction on at your current employer). The lead section does give a good introduction to the topic, so I hate to say it, but it doesn't really properly summarize the entire article which a good lead section should do. I think it’s best to work for small companies and shoot for the moon. But I was after the money. I think this applies as a general rule in terms of progressing the corporate ladder – it’s becomes more about building relationships and rapport and less about the technical aspects. By the way, we’ve been in place for eight years no and my wife is starting to talk of moving. I was terrible with the office politic. What has this got to do with computer engineering? I did a little moving back and forth too. I’m sure some senior level engineers are happy with their jobs and still enjoy their time at work. The upperclassmen can easily concur to this: the best kind of engineering freshman is one who is keeping it cool. The reason for this is two fold, for one, too many PharmD programs came up during the past decade but more so, as in long term trends, robotics can replicate the pharmacist’s work while in tandem, the pharmacist isn’t able to bill himself out, as a health care ‘provider’, to outset the rise of the machines taking over his job. I’m just about ready to go to Colorado and grow pot for a living, or maybe open up a head shop and sell pipes and bongs. One thing that struck me was that your job promoted you to your level of discomfort. When the weekend is up, you do it again. In the end, that’s what all of us wanted originally out of engineering, until the MBAs turned the entire profession (if you can even call it a profession) into a white collar sweat shop. I saved and invested for 16 years before I left engineering. Most young engineers should learn about this option. I became more senior and the expectation was to sit in god awful meetings all day, make slides sets, and influence others. I don’t know enough about the military system. The thing is, even if you are really good at what you do, you are invariably a lot less marketable as a middle aged guy with highly polished skills than a 30 year old with lesser skills who will be allowed to learn the rest of it on the job. Everyone who is thinking about quitting their job should read Financial Samurai’s book: How to engineer your layoff. 2. I am so excited about the future without engineering! ), What I am good at and interested in is logical thinking–psychology/sociology and English. I no longer care for it, actually I hate it and every time I hear any IT slang it makes me cringe. I know this post is over a year old, but just wondering what you ended up doing. I am working part time right now on a retail store ( not IT ), so not to get bored. The way my career has shaken out is that I worked for my first company for 10 years (embedded engineer for a gaming company) and left on a high note (great recommendations), about 9 months before the company decided to change direction and did massive layoffs. I think that is good advice for any career since you won’t be the same person at 40 that you are at 25. Something which I used to enjoy about a year ago, does not please me anymore. That made him ineligible for the year-end bonus because you have to be on the payroll through December 31. I think you are going to be much happier now Joe. I think it’s good to change career too. Xerox is WAY smaller than it used to be, and Bosh and Lomb’s HQ is leaving – announced a week ago. I have interest in creative stuff, I like drawing and colors stuff. If he continues to excel at math, he’ll probably be steered into STEM at some point. To alleviate some of the financial pressure. The 25+ year career guys are just the ones lucky enough to survive and perform as project engineers/managers. I am also an ECE and have about 30 plus years of computer experience ( Software Engineering) and have been on four companies, longest of which was for 18 years. My husband has been an engineer since graduating in 1991. (Not knowing culture and area/people is huge con, plus my husband is getting new better role in his current company)So I am having second thoughts on whether to even pursue this field further? It will give you some cushion when you need to change. I have both worked dream jobs and lived in dream locations, but never at the same time. https://gineersnow.com/students/hate-engineering-hell-still It used to be like this for us as well, but it feels as if a solar flare has hit semiconductor corporations around the year 2010 making their management and financial controlling idiots transfer into a zombie mode. Manette @ Barbara Friedberg Personal Finance, Travel Hacking 2019: Chiang Mai, Hanoi, and Narita, Engineers need to plan for early retirement, *Sign up for a free account at Personal Capital, Sign up for a free account at CrowdStreet, Why engineers should plan for an early retirement, SAHD Cooking – Thai Garlic Pepper Shrimps, https://www.ted.com/talks/mark_applebaum_the_mad_scientist_of_music/discussion. I think ECE and CS are like this. You will probably regret it. The hours were painfully long and there were several Saturdays in the office. The question is: Can YOU support your family as a retiree? In a way, having that two way communication was a great aspect of my career. I have a paid for home, no debt, savings, and have been living way below my means for a long time. This was so true for my engineering program too. Most days I really enjoy what I do, but the long hours and stress level is very high in my world as well. THIS practice at IBM made me quite unhappy with the career choice I made, but I knew not every company was like this, and found refuge at a company that actually valued their employee’s shortly after this job. I have written many articles to bust some popular . I am a structural engineer and generally enjoy it but the pay is not commensurate with the responsibility and liability. My salary is public record, less than 60k a year. Senior engineers will be targeted for layoffs at the first whiff of an economic downturn. I wanted to take med course for I wanted to be a doctor someday but yeah, this is how fate works. I think your management and the actual nature of the job probably matter as much or more than the company. So, its a matter of having to live with the stress. system. On the other hand, if one’s a doctor, one needs to specialize, to stay employable at his/her expected rate of compensation. all defense companies w/in 200 miles have had layoffs this year and Lockheed has cut workers (around 70% to 85% over 40 years old) FOUR years in a row! Hey, I’m a senior in HS debating what major to pick. Then going back to the story college life. Here’s the thing though, I don’t want to waste my time and money doing these classes this semester that I don’t enjoy. As I was writing this comment, I realized that my perspective is already extremely negative. That’s too bad. I met some of the smartest people in my life while working there, and to this day I love all (or at the least most) of the engineers there. Your future as an engineer seems boundless in the sense that you don’t see the endpoint to your learning – you just want to get better at your job and reach some sort of summit. Some people think I’m crazy to switch careers at this point. Licenses are issued following successful completion of an engineering degree, several years of work experience and a passing score on a state exam. Maximizing your pay from 21-35 is not a bad idea. Engineering is a good field, but it’s just getting more difficult everyday. I fee exactly as you did. I am a big part of trying to do that with some projects we are working on now. Another friend quit but for him I honestly think it was mostly that he was homesick for his home state and didn’t like living here. I think you might have! Unfortunately, I couldn’t do it. It’s been over 7 years since I quit my engineering career. Here are several recommendations to get started: Use simple mentor-of-the-moment conversation starters. Engineers are so skillful doing very complex works, but at the same time, people with less training are doing better by being their own boss. 20 years later, those engineers are now mostly laid off. I’m pretty happy with what my education and working life gave me. Decided not to go to grad school and got a transportation engineering job instead (did grad school at night while working). Sure, I think of it like retiring from a career. A course that I am not passionate about doing. Good luck! I owe a lot of what I have to them. They move on to do something else. I also work in IT as a business systems analyst, and I have faced the exact same situation as Rby40 has. I sometimes miss programming and other stuff and would like to work again because I still want to keep my brain working and due to self worth, you know. My son, like yourself and CNBC’s Jim Cramer studied engineering. Yes, it was really tough! I am in almost the exact same position as you with almost the same amount of time in the work force. I know I’m mostly harping on semantics, and people can call themselves anything they want. Don’t ask anything from them in any way, such as working from home (for example), which many people make the mistake of doing. I said I want to go back in Engineering. Hey, it’s Randy, the *Denny Downer* of engineering careers. I’m no slacker (my boss even said so) but I was starting to get fried from all the stress and pressure (every single day was approx 10 hours (lunch not included) since I started there). Structural is a traditional part of civil engineering. Maybe you will find that it’s enough and your passion for your original job is rekindled. 1. I went through the same exact scenario. If you are a good engineer, you will have coveralls, a chisel and gloves, and be scraping at the chars or at least directing your tech to do so. I know it’s for my own good. He’s ahead of the class in math and reading. I too have been in IT for too long and in various roles (pc tech, telecom tech, telecom manager, IT project manager) and it’s ran it’s course. was afraid of that box for now…need the money. One lead test engineer, after 9 months of searching hard, took a job (doing hands on IT work) which barely pays half of what he used to make. Subject Area: Engineering and Materials Duration of Peer Review: 3.0 month(s) Result: Accepted after revision Write a review: Reviewed 2016-07-07 17:23:55 Not difficult to publish in, only had minor revisions. It’s important to keep in mind that engineering school teaches you a methodology for solving complex problems. I was able to gain experience in other disciplines such as marketing, selling, legal, strategic planning, leadership and project management. That’s too bad because most of us hates politic. And eventually quit I work for a few people can call themselves anything they want this.... 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